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Wednesday, October 15, 2008

 

Greetings philosophy nuts and fellow students. It's been quite a while since I've used this site, and I certainly didn't think I'd be back so soon.

But something has happened so vile, so outrageous, that I find myself catapulted back to this forum where I hope we can learn and share together and help to shed some light on

the logical argument and rational thought.

Simone's site has always been a forum for discussion and learning, and I'd like us to continue in that tradition. Who knows how long we'll keep it up? It will ultimately depend on the level of passion and motivation in us all.

To begin, let's examine some arguments we are currently hearing in the news media, analyzing them for reason or fallacy. Can you find reason or logical fallacy in this article? Please post your reply/answer right here so everyone can follow along in the discussion. Flames and attacks will not be allowed and will promptly be deleted, so be sure you have REASON behind your argument rather than EMOTION (a big no-no in a logical discussion).

So glad to be back!

Simone

Commentary: The poverty of Democrats' ideas for cities

  • Story Highlights
  • Beck: Detroit, Buffalo rank highest on list of cities in poverty
  • Democrats have been in office for decades but haven't solved problem, he says
  • Beck says voters wanting "change" should throw incumbent parties out
  • Why is an issue like poverty "owned" by one political party, he asks
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Editor's note: Glenn Beck is on CNN Headline News nightly at 7 and 9 ET and also hosts a conservative national radio talk show.

Glenn Beck

Glenn Beck says Democrats have ruled many of the poorest cities for too long, and it's time for a change.

NEW YORK (CNN) -- "I think the best way of doing good to the poor is not making them easy in poverty but leading them or driving them out of it."

What hate-mongering politician would be so politically incorrect as to suggest that things like higher minimum wages and more government handouts don't actually help the poor? I'll identify the culprit at the end of this column, but for now, I'm more interested in figuring out why that statement sounds so controversial.

Poverty is one of the few national issues that, at least on the surface, unites us all. It's not a political condition; it's a human one. After all, when's the last time you've heard a politician campaign on a pro-poverty platform?

But although the problem may unite us, the solutions don't. And perhaps nothing illustrates that better than what's been happening in Detroit, Michigan, and Buffalo, New York.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, nearly a third of the residents in those cities are living beneath the poverty line, the highest rates among large cities in the entire country.

No matter what side of the political aisle you're on, that is nothing short of appalling. Yet if you ask people what we should do about it, you'll probably hear answers that inexplicably break down right along party lines.

Is there a perfect answer? Probably not. But what bothers me is that people stubbornly stick to their solution, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that it's not working.

For example, Detroit, whose mayor has been indicted on felony charges, hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961. Buffalo has been even more stubborn. It started putting a Democrat in office back in 1954, and it hasn't stopped since.

Unfortunately, those two cities may be alone at the top of the poverty rate list, but they're not alone in their love for Democrats. Cincinnati, Ohio (third on the poverty rate list), hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1984. Cleveland, Ohio (fourth on the list), has been led by a Democrat since 1989. St. Louis, Missouri (sixth), hasn't had a Republican since 1949, Milwaukee, Wisconsin (eighth), since 1908, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (ninth), since 1952 and Newark, New Jersey (10th), since 1907.

The only two cities in the top 10 that I didn't mention (Miami, Florida, and El Paso, Texas) haven't had Republicans in office either -- just Democrats, independents or nonpartisans.

Over the past 50 years, the eight cities listed above have had Republican leadership for a combined 36 years. The rest of the time -- a combined 364 years -- they've been led by Democrats.

Five of the 10 cities with the highest poverty rates (Detroit, Buffalo, St. Louis, Milwaukee, Philadelphia and Newark) have had a Democratic stranglehold since at least 1961: more than 45 years. Two of the cities (Milwaukee and Newark) have been electing Democrats since the first Model T rolled off the assembly line in 1908.

Two cities, 100 years, all Democrats.

If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result, the asylums in those cities must be as full as the soup kitchens.

Not too long ago, I had the great honor of being invited to a charity dinner hosted by Chris Gardner. He's the guy whose rags-to-riches life was portrayed by Will Smith in the movie "Pursuit of Happyness." Chris had been on my show a few times, and I've always admired his story and his message of hope through personal responsibility.

As I prepared for the dinner and looked into Chris' charity, I started to get nervous. The roster was filled with liberals, most of whom would probably hate me. Hillary Clinton, Mario Cuomo, Alan Alda, Kenneth Cole and Charles Grodin were just a few of the people I was worried about running into.

But the question I kept asking myself was, why? Why can't people from wildly different political stripes come together in support of a common cause without feeling alienated? Why is an issue like poverty "owned" by one political party?

I consider myself a conservative, but I consider myself an American and a human being first. When people whom I normally agree with screw things up, I call them on it. Yet the people in these cities apparently don't. Newark keeps drinking the Kool-Aid, electing the same people with the same ideas, slipping down the poverty list (along with the "Places Never to Visit Unless it's the Airport" list) and wondering why.

We've talked a lot about "change" in this country recently, but there's a much more important catchphrase that we've neglected: "All politics is local." Maybe instead of focusing so much on who we put in charge of our country, we should focus more on who we put in charge of our cities.

Oh, and before I forget. The hateful politician who suggested that we should be "driving" or "leading" the poor out of poverty? It was Benjamin Franklin.

Good thing he never tried to run for mayor of Newark

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of the writer.

 Posted 10/15/2008 6:17 PM - 101 Views - 10 eProps - 6 comments

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Beck is always interesting, but his perception of the problem is somewhat simplistic - typical of a pundit dealing in sound bites.
The reason for Demo politicians attempting to deal with these areas is because Reps can['t be bothered or at least that's how they are perceived by the poor population who sees Demo as the only ones interested in their plight - which is basically that they are poor. Why they are poor is a complex question with a simple answer: because they don't have any/much income.
Welcome back.
Posted 10/16/2008 4:25 PM by tychecat Xanga Premium Member - reply

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Thanks for the welcome tychecat and your thoughts on this essay.

The above essay seems to suggest that the Democratic party creates poverty, and at first, one may easily believe this. But with a little critical thought, one may remember a basic science lesson: correlation does not equal causation. Instead, other factors are easily at play here; for example, it is completely possible that people who are financially strapped vote for Democratic candidates. In other words, Democrats don't create low incomes, but people with lower incomes tend to vote Democratic.

Posted 10/17/2008 12:13 AM by Simone_De_Beauvoir - reply

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Just as peace can only come from within and not to the person who screams peace the loudest, self-sufficiency can only come from personal accountability and perseverance.  A hand-out will only teach the receiver how to stick their hand out farther and sooner while sitting on their behinds, where a hand-up will teach them that if they intend to stay up they had better learn and practice balance.

Equality comes from balance, not dependence.

CosmicM

Posted 10/30/2008 2:14 PM by CosmicMonkey - reply

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I'm pretty sure that I cannot bring any type of logic or intelligent discussion to this topic. I only have question and poor grammar and punctuation. I am, however, good with run-on sentences.

My question is when will we stop seeing politicians as republicans and democrats? It is not a surprise that Mr. Obama is our president elect. When the media made it entirely apparent that our 'still' president would be better off with a severe speech impediment. Obama is well spoken, encourages people with hope and change. If I believed that my vote would be counted in a republic, I would have voted for Obama only because he is educated and well spoken. The fact is that he is still a politician promoted by the media.

When will we realize that you cannot trust a politician? When will we believe actions over promises?
Posted 12/21/2008 12:22 AM by CatmanCPC - reply

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I'm bored, so I rec'd this. Should make for interesting reading if anyone cares to chime in
Posted 7/4/2009 8:21 PM by radicalramblings Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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Hello Ms. Simone,
You made your site simple yet elegant but I see that you don’t write here much anymore!
I want to help people to really get to know Jehovah God, especially in these troubled times. He has an important message for everyone from the Bible: 13 "Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: In my wrath I will unleash a violent wind, and in my anger hailstones and torrents of rain will fall with destructive fury." (Ezekiel 13:13) (NIV)

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